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need to buy A carpet
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biggdoggtta
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I do not know what label / number ACC assigned to the Beechwood Carpet. Again, ACC bought ACS several years ago; and I did the work with ACS. I can check the ACS swatches that I have somewhere is storage. Other than that, it should be obvious which color to use, if you compare the ACC samples against trapped TTA carpet. Any other carpet color on the market 10 years ago was not anywhere close to the TAA OEM carpet color. It is foolish to compare the ACC samples to your floor mats or the carpet on your floorboards.
All the best,
Rich
All the best,
Rich
I did not get my mats yet. I am figuring acc will still be there when I get around to it. I was thinking of selling my cognac mats with the embroidery and getting some 7037 ones without embroidery instead. I don't need to have the name of the car under my feet. I think the 11 stick on badges, plus assorted additional advertising, such as the "pontiac" horn button and the "performance suspension" passenger knee bumper is enough free advertising for the losers who ruined gm and ashcanned the pontiac motor division, that they stupidly referred to as a "brand". A brand is a label. Pontiac was an 85 year old american car company. Bastards. They'll get theirs when the time comes. Losers. Delorean saw the writing on the wall in 73 and abandoned those losers and wrote a book about how stupid they all were and how they would run the whole thing right into the ground. He didn't predict the taxpayers funding it and subsidising it though. That was an interesting turn of events. Bankrupt the nations greatest corporation, then get rewarded for your actions with billions of dollars of free money, to do with what you choose. Makes sense. Why, if everyone bankrupted their corporations, they could all get this extra bonus. I am surprised more ceo's don't instruct their subbordinates to follow suit. I remember in the 80's when chrysler was in trouble. Lee Iaccoca went to washington, BORROWED money, and PAID IT BACK.!!!!...WITH INTEREST!!!!. AND SAVED CHRYSLER. Why can't they get an honorable man to do that with gm? did all the real men die of old age? Are we left with only losers and crooks? What is it about people born after WWII that makes them so crooked and stupid? And such losers? Oh well, we are all doomed anyway. The chinese will eventually ask for their money back. They do hold the paper, after all.
On to an important subject, our cars!
Anyway...
For your information... All the pictures I placed in this thread comparing colors swatches, and comparing them to a floor mat, are accurate, because it was a new floor mat that had been stored indoors, in a box, with air contitioning all year round. The color of that mat is correct. I agree with Mr. Vant Hoff that it is pointless to compare to used mats or used carpets.
The 7037 is the closest match that acc has. It is not exact but very close. If your car is used, you should have no concern at all about the color.
Here is the color of the 7037 against a NOS mat. The color of the original carpets and the new carpets varies depending on angle of view.
Now I must get back to my honda civic. I am adding a 6" diameter tail pipe that makes a farting sound you can hear from 10 blocks away. I am mounting it at a slight angle, without a hangar, so it wiggles. My other baby momma will really be mad that I spent her money on this, cause she wanted a new iphone, but I don't feel that I get enough attention without the loud farting sound and wiggling angled 6" rainbow stainless tailpipe on my aging japanese front drive economy car.
On to an important subject, our cars!
Anyway...
For your information... All the pictures I placed in this thread comparing colors swatches, and comparing them to a floor mat, are accurate, because it was a new floor mat that had been stored indoors, in a box, with air contitioning all year round. The color of that mat is correct. I agree with Mr. Vant Hoff that it is pointless to compare to used mats or used carpets.
The 7037 is the closest match that acc has. It is not exact but very close. If your car is used, you should have no concern at all about the color.
Here is the color of the 7037 against a NOS mat. The color of the original carpets and the new carpets varies depending on angle of view.
Now I must get back to my honda civic. I am adding a 6" diameter tail pipe that makes a farting sound you can hear from 10 blocks away. I am mounting it at a slight angle, without a hangar, so it wiggles. My other baby momma will really be mad that I spent her money on this, cause she wanted a new iphone, but I don't feel that I get enough attention without the loud farting sound and wiggling angled 6" rainbow stainless tailpipe on my aging japanese front drive economy car.
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carlos64030
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I'm really glad I found this thread for it helped me out a lot and simplified the ordering process. Special thanks to andre#4 for taking the time to provide detailed pictures to go along with the nice write-up. I'm about to place my order on 1AAUTO.com for a complete carpet set with floor mats in the Medium Doeskin color #7295. My car is a '92 black Trans Am GTA with black interior, but I'm swapping to the '88-'91 Beechwood color.
1AAUTO.com appears to have the best prices: $263.95 for the carpet set and $96.95 for the floor mats.
1AAUTO.com appears to have the best prices: $263.95 for the carpet set and $96.95 for the floor mats.
Some of them made some mistakes, of course. But this is by no means their fault. They had honor and integrity.
It took several generations of societal degradation to get to the cesspool we have today, especially in our top tier positions, like:
The people that run the (formerly respected) rating agencies like Moody's and Standards and Poor's, that now grade junk investments as triple A, causing an economic meltdown just so that they can get more profits for themselves in the short run.
The losers that ran GM into the ground. Bankruptcy.
the losers that decided it was a good idea to send all our industrial equipment and jobs to china.
The losers that decided to give trillions of dollars of cash to anyone who could bankrupt an important banking institution. So that once they bankrupted it, they could do whatever they wanted with this money. This particular decision has a two fold effect.
1. It sends ceo's scrambling to bankrupt their companies and institutions, so that they too, can get in on this windfall of trillions of dollars of "free money reward for horrific failure".
2. It takes trillions of dollars out of the realm of being used for any good. Like healthcare, or education, or giving it back to the taxpayers who shouldn't have had to pay it in the first place.
These days, there are no honest people left in important positions of leadership. Political or business. Any honest people are quickly removed, either by force or by underperformance. An honest man can not perform as well as a crook. The crook will always have better returns on investment. usually by orders of magnitude.
My dad always says I should get involved in government. I say, sure. I could get elected to city council, then mayor, then senator, etc. But...If I am honest, my crooked colleagues will push me out, possibly getting me arrested on false charges to get rid of me. If these crooked politicians are already willing to ruin peoples lives and do all sorts of illegal things, what is to stop them from doing it to me, when I am in a position to get them in trouble?
And if I go into politics to be a crook, I run the risk of being arrested on actual wrong doing! So there is no way to get involved.
It has gotten so bad that they are selling "food insurance" on the radio. There are so many people who believe that this will all end in riots in the streets, that there is enough money to buy radio time to advertise dried foods to people who are scared of riots and complete societal breakdown.
I am going to make a reply to some quotes that Jan offered, which are lies. This reply is very long, because I felt that the truth should be seen here. I am sure most of you would rather continue to slander the man for fun than allow him some dignity, but I have had enough of these lies about John Delorean. The only reason cocaine was used as a prop in the wrongful arrest of this man, was so that everyone would talk about it. This talk has gone on long enough. HIS NAME WAS CLEARED IN FEDERAL COURT 25 YEARS AGO. The man is now dead of CANCER, has been dead for years and I WILL NOT allow his name to be slandered yet again. And I won’t have it on this forum. And if this gets me kicked off this forum, so be it. It will be worth it to tell the truth just once, because I can be sure no one else will tell the truth about this. Delorean's daughter is my age and she has had enough of this crap too. She should not have to listen to these lies repeated ad infinitum. About a man who made an incredible contribution to society. THIS FORUM WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT JOHN DELOREAN.
This is no reflection on Jan. He was only quoting what some other liar said. And he was only quoting lies that have become accepted as facts.
As far as Delorean costing Irish people their jobs, that is a lie. Without Delorean, they would not have had jobs. That factory brought peace to a region where the norm was war, unemployment and turmoil. Furthermore, if Delorean had been a con man, there would not be 8000 of his cars in the hands of happy owners. He would have simply taken the money and built no factory, provided no jobs, build no cars, etc.
If you look at Delorean's or Tucker's efforts to build cars, they were both thwarted by GM, by way of the us gov't who was acting as gm's agent. What was done to Delorean and Tucker was illegal. (both men had phony criminal charges levied against them by the gov't and its agencies. Charges which were later proved to be patently and completely false. Not only that, but the gov’t broke many laws themselves in the process of falsely charging the men).
It is easy to repeat quotes from partisan reporters and authors, and crooked british politicians who profit from slandering the man. If the british government had any backbone at all, they would have protected their investment by seeking the truth, instead of rolling over like a dog, and losing millions of dollars and thousands of jobs. Of course to seek the truth would have meant going against the US gov’t who was lying, fabricating evidence, and falsely charging a man just because GM asked them to. If that makes no sense to you, that is because you don’t know the situation. I will say it simply. GM did not want delorean succeeding as a competitor. GM had gov’t agents on the payroll. Those gov’t agents falsely charged Delorean criminally, ruining his reputation. Once the reputation was ruined, no one wanted to invest any more money into DMC. DMC needed more money invested because of unforeseen costs, which are common in new multinational business ventures. John Delorean already investors lined up to invest the needed capital, but was falsely arrested before he could collect the funds. Once he couldn’t get the additional funds, the company went into receivership, and eventually bankrupt. The british could still have easily saved it if they wanted to. But to save it would have helped Delorean, and that was not an option that GM could live with. And by extension, if GM can’t live with it, the US gov’t cant live with it. And if the US gov’t can’t live with it, the UK gov’t can’t either.
You can’t believe everything you hear on the TV. It is not all true. NEWSFLASH>>> The government is not your best buddy. It is in their best interest to lie to you. When something goes wrong, they like to use scapegoats, rather than implicate themselves and go to federal prison. If you believe everything they say, you are either ignorant, stupid, a chump, in their employ, or all of the above. I am sorry to say that but it is the truth. And if you believe me you are a chump too. You can independently verify everything I have said here. But I won’t have Delorean’s name slandered further without vigorously defending him. He was an incredible man. Without him there would be no Firebird. No TTA. He was a generous man. He had nothing to do with drugs or crime. He cared about people. Do you think there is any money to be made telling that story? NO NO NO. You will only make money if you report that this was a criminal genius that duped the poor helpless BRITISH GOVERNMENT. And the idiots who read it will believe every word of course. (the British gov’t does not give money to con men. And con men don’t build car factories and create jobs for poor disenfranchised citizens of that countries colony.)
The delorean company bankruptcy was totally the fault of the US gov’t and GM. If you think Delorean could not raise a little additional capital to keep a running company going, then how in hell do you think he built it up FROM NOTHING in the first place? I would dare any one of you to continue running a multinational business after being falsely arrested, falsely charged, defamed, and incarcerated by the government, only then to have to spend the next 10 years of your life proving in federal court that the government was the one committing the crimes and that you were totally innocent of any and all wrongdoing. The judges in those cases could hardly believe what lengths the federal government went to to make Delorean look like a criminal.
There were cost overruns at DMC, and additional money was needed. The only reason the british gov'ts investment went bad is because the crooked US fbi agents publicity stunt (about cocaine, which John had nothing to do with) caused enough damage to John's reputation to prevent John from getting further financing which would have solved the problems. He had investors with a check ready to deposit with him, and he was unable to make the meetings because of being arrested by the fbi. It was scheduled to be taken care of. But of course, once the press reported the cocaine scam, any chance of financing evaporated. It worked perfectly for gm.
About this cocaine scam: John had nothing to do with it whatsoever. That was a photo op for some crooked fbi agents. John never touched any cocaine. He did not need to. He was not an addict. On the contrary he was a health nut. and he did not need any money. Personally, he was very very wealthy. And the idea that he was starting a cocaine sales business to finance the company is ridiculous. It just shows how stupid people are to believe such a thing. The cocaine photo op was a scheme to discredit the man enough to make his company founder. Mr. Delorean later was aquitted of all charges in court, when it was found that the fbi had absolutely no evidence against him, and that the only ones who broke any laws was the fbi itself. Of course, it took 10-15 years for the court cases to finish. By then everything was sold off and the body dies were dumped into the river so that the company could never build those cars again, no matter what.
About the additional financing that was needed: You may not realize, but when building a new company, sometimes things happen that you don't anticipate. Sometimes things cost more than what was planned for.
Take, just as an example, the building of the world trade center which started in the late 1960’s. It was scheduled to cost $250 million, but as the construction went on, it turned out to cost more. Eventually, I think it was about 2,000 million. (a.k.a. $2 Billion.) 8 times the original estimate. 8 times the original approved cost. But, since the gov't was building these things, the additional money was just raised with bonds and tolls, and injected into the project.
With a private man like Delorean, he can't simply sell bonds or take tax money from people. he has to raise the money himself. And if a government like the UK wants to get in on some profits, they will invest too. And they would have had lots of profit. But, there was another player. We had GM, who hated John for the book he wrote about them, exposing their criminal and unethical dealings. And GM had a policy of not allowing outsiders to form successful car companies. In this case, gm let john do his thing because they thought he would not pull it off. His idea was too fantastic. (a car that could not rust, etc). But when it looked like his company was taking off, GM decided to put a stop to it. And they did.
Now, can you imagine if a little thing like additional financing could stop a government project? The world trade center would have been abandoned in the middle of construction. That would have made no sense. It would have been a huge waste. But then, GM was not trying to make an example out of someone.
biggdoggtta
Junior Member
Does that price for the carpet include the Mazbak / Rubber Backing? I will be speaking with ACC tomorrow and obtain group pricing for all of you. I found the original ACS carpet I had made for the TTA. It appears that ACC has changed the ACS number system. No surprise there. BTW....Andre, did you not say you were going to call me last Saturday?
All the best,
Rich
678-427-0017
carlos64030
Active Member
The item description says the backing is Jute Padding. The rep that I spoke to at 1A Auto told me there weren't any options available for our cars.
1989 Pontiac Trans Am Carpet Set Complete at 1AAuto.com with how-to installation video.
biggdoggtta
Junior Member
Wrong!! The carpet set is available with just the Jute backing or with MazBak Rubber backing similar to OEM. Be careful what you are purchasing. Also, you can purchase just the seated portion of the vehicle or 100% of the vehicle. I have all options available. ACC does not provide the carpet I developed with ACS, many years ago. I will be checking with one of the VP's next week, upon his return from SEMA. I suspect they ran out and did not manufacture anymore in that matching color. I do have the color samples from that carpet. If you purchase anything else, it will not be factory matching.
All the best,
Rich
678-427-0017
All the best,
Rich
678-427-0017
carlos64030
Active Member
Well, I'm not too concerned with the rubber backing since I can easily have some applied at a cheaper cost. The color of the carpets I ordered are pretty close in color to the originals according to the samples andres#4 posted on the first page. I purchased the complete carpet set and floor mats, so everything will match-up just fine.
biggdoggtta
Junior Member
You could have purchased the carpet from me for less money...but good luck with your install. I know most of the owners do not want to spend the money to put the car back to original; as in the case of the rubber backing, color, etc. Like you said "cheaper".
Enjoy, Rich
Enjoy, Rich
carlos64030
Active Member
My car is FAR from being factory original. Keep in mind that my car is a black '92 GTA. The Beechwood color wasn't even available for that model year. I definitely would've purchased my carpet set from you had I known about it. I'm new to this forum, and when I saw that andres#4 posted quality pictures of carpet color samples, well that just helped to expedite my purchasing decision.
TTA579
South Bay TTA "Barn" Find
I need carpet (whole car), without padding as I will be adding dynaliner/dynapad. Any suggestions?
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biggdoggtta
Junior Member
Hi Scott,
The color is a tough issue. I am waiting until SEMA is finished....then next Monday I will call one of the VP's at ACC to discuss what happened to all the TTA carpet I had manufactured at the ACS facility. I know the ACS color number and hopefully will know if we can still acquire some of it. As for the moulded carpet kit pricing, it comes in four options.....
Seated Area without Rubber.......$160
Seated Area with Rubber...........$197
Full Set without Rubber.............$252
Full Set with Rubber.................$310
Shipping is between $25 - $40 depending on weight and location of shipment.
Let me know if I can be of help.
All the best,
Rich
678-427-0017
The color is a tough issue. I am waiting until SEMA is finished....then next Monday I will call one of the VP's at ACC to discuss what happened to all the TTA carpet I had manufactured at the ACS facility. I know the ACS color number and hopefully will know if we can still acquire some of it. As for the moulded carpet kit pricing, it comes in four options.....
Seated Area without Rubber.......$160
Seated Area with Rubber...........$197
Full Set without Rubber.............$252
Full Set with Rubber.................$310
Shipping is between $25 - $40 depending on weight and location of shipment.
Let me know if I can be of help.
All the best,
Rich
678-427-0017
carlos64030
Active Member
A little off topic: I'm currently at SEMA too, biggdoggtta. ttarider
biggdoggtta
Junior Member
fyi- I installed ACC replacement carpeting in my GN and it was inded lighter then the oem I took out. The factory rubber did not change anything when it came to sound,heat over the ACC carpet. It also did not fade(that I could tell) in the 4 years or so I had it in. In all, ACC is not all that bad...
carlos64030
Active Member
Sooooo... have you spoken to your contact about this carpet?
8289ta
Silver Member
Just an update to an old thread. I got samples of the 2 carpet colors that Andre had suggested way back when - the 7037 and the 9205. Neither of them really matches, and the Cognac actually looks like a nicer match to the interior. I wanted to get some mats made up, but I don't think either one will match the current carpet in the car.
carlos64030
Active Member
Yeah, I purchased the complete 7037 carpet set with floor mats, but they really don't match the factory Beechwood color. I'm gonna sell what I bought and continue my search for an exact reproduction of the Beechwood color.
