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robert lee

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I didn't want to muddy-up the thread on FP replacement so i will ask here; if the factory had put a access panel for the FP would they be lazy or innovative ? Personally i think by not putting one there THEY were lazy and bean counting, that said if i had a low-mile garage queen or a weekend driver i would not add one, why? Because i know the odds are good i would only have to do it once.. on the other hand if i was racing a TTA i would add one because i know there is no doubt what so ever it will be changed more than once, okay rant over..:rockon:
 
robert lee said:
I didn't want to muddy-up the thread on FP replacement so i will ask here; if the factory had put a access panel for the FP would they be lazy or innovative ? Personally i think by not putting one there THEY were lazy and bean counting, that said if i had a low-mile garage queen or a weekend driver i would not add one, why? Because i know the odds are good i would only have to do it once.. on the other hand if i was racing a TTA i would add one because i know there is no doubt what so ever it will be changed more than once, okay rant over..:rockon:
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Only reason for the factory to put one in would be for ease of service at a later point; from a manufacturing process point of view it would not add any value rather just add cost doing so.

With the expected life span of the fuel pump (whatever that might be) they most likely determined it cheaper to replace the pump the way we all know rather than adding cost for an access panel of some sort; the pump would normally outlive the warranty period so not an issue (cost) for GM rather for the owner to pay for it all ...
 
You are correct Jan, but if they had a rash of pumps going out under warr. you can bet the next model yr. would have one, all about getting it down the line...
 
My 2011 Mustang has an access panel under the back seat to remove the pump. I think it is a good idea. But I don't think it is a good idea to add one to a car where it did not exist. Most of them are total hack jobs. If your use of the car dictates adding one, then so be it. I can see the point of having quick access for racing purposes, so long as it is done right. But 90% of the guys who add one do so out of sheer laziness, stupidity or fear of the job.
 
I read the sticky - that is some serious project, not for the faint of heart :(
When I was having the updates done last summer on #545, Jim Dunn indicated that it is basically an 8 hour project to install the new pump and hot wire kit. They charged me some kind of flat rate. However, he would not do it without a lift (used a friend's shop). FWIW, Jim told me to get the Walbro 255 pump.
I'm most hopeful that this never needs to be done again.
 
The exhaust just gets taken off the hangers and the cat, and lowers out of the way. A lift is not needed, although it would probably make life a lot easier. The fear of doing the pump is worse then doing the pump.
 
My Walbro 255 and Hot wire kit will be here on Saturday. I have already spoken with my tech about putting it in with a lift. He can have that job. After spending $1300 in upgrades......$200 is worth the pump R&R.

But yes.. certain applications would require the access panel.....not in my case.
Done right, they look nice!
 
I have done so many fuel pump replacements between all my third gens and my cousins camaros I can do one in an afternoon. It is far better to have a 2nd person for this job especially while removing the tank in and out.

As for hacking up my TTA with an access panel I just went to an external pump to not have that issue.
 
jarredsoon said:
I have done so many fuel pump replacements between all my third gens and my cousins camaros I can do one in an afternoon. It is far better to have a 2nd person for this job especially while removing the tank in and out.

As for hacking up my TTA with an access panel I just went to an external pump to not have that issue.
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I feel the same way just go external if that's the case my 2cents:bye1:
 
jarredsoon said:
I have done so many fuel pump replacements between all my third gens and my cousins camaros I can do one in an afternoon. It is far better to have a 2nd person for this job especially while removing the tank in and out.

As for hacking up my TTA with an access panel I just went to an external pump to not have that issue.
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Since this is a curious thread, how did you do that?
 
It seems we have been down this road before I feel if it was not factory it would hurt the value of the car itself even if it's done right it all depends how much you want to keep originality and then again how many of us use a tta as a track car,i would use something else that's my opinion rather than cut up my tta.I am not nocking the one's that did everyone has a preference and their own way of doing things on that note enjoying anyway you can:headbang:
 
Regular racing aside, I mean dozens and dozens of sub 11 sec passes per summer one would probably be dropping the tank every 2 or 3rd season, assuming there is daily driving included in it's use.
Even I find that acceptable maintenance, but high horsepower cars seem to devour fuel pumps more often and the problem I have isn't as much the time, but inevitably the filler neck gets cracked from the contorted way the tank comes out and back up in. And 90% of the time I'm working alone, on jack stands, and that's getting to be old quick. An access panel made sense for me because I'm pretty convinced I'll be opening it up more often than I'll admit. I mean the racetronix dual hotwire kit has provisions to swap the pumps back and forth in order of usage just by use of dead head jumpers. So I assume they expect me to give each pump equal duty as the primary pump to lengthen each pumps service life.

That all being said, if you recall I put a -10AN fitting in the tank for future "sump" style feed should I give up on intank pumps and go to a dual inline system.
 
Mark T-TB said:
^^^ Don't I wish that had been it :down:
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It's cold in Huntsville right now and I sure don't want to be crawling on the concrete floor to do it. So for a guy to drop the tank at his shop for that price, I couldn't go wrong, and I get to watch!

I'll be doing all the other upgade work in my garage myself. :D
 
Yeah it's colder than a well-diggers ass here, but no matter what the temp if you don't have some kind of lift working on a TTA is 0 fun... in fact you may even invent some new words...:devil:
 
robert lee said:
Yeah it's colder than a well-diggers ass here, but no matter what the temp if you don't have some kind of lift working on a TTA is 0 fun... in fact you may even invent some new words...:devil:
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"well diggers ass" Great one!
It's 8 here. Ready to move to Boston! Might as well have the snow too!
 
robert lee said:
Since this is a curious thread, how did you do that?
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I removed fuel tank
cleaned tank
weld on feed and return fittings/ sump in appropriate location
reinstall tank
plumb line from taknk to filter
plumb line from filter to pump
plumb line from pump to 2nd filter
plumb line from filter to fuel rail
plumb line from rail to fuel pressure regulator
plumb line from afpr to tank

check for leaks
 
robert lee said:
Yeah it's colder than a well-diggers ass here, but no matter what the temp if you don't have some kind of lift working on a TTA is 0 fun... in fact you may even invent some new words...:devil:
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yea I know what you mean I don't own a lift let me tell ya it really sucks I have no room for it and I always did the work my self no help it is not easy being on your back and time catches up been doing this about 24 years more or less changed over 20 motors maybe 15 tranny's rear ends etc the list goes on on many different types of cars and as you get older the body doen't move as it did then and I always say this is going to be the last project yea right.Now I just started doing full lenth floor boards on the tta right now for some reason or another we always start small before you know it we just opened up a can of whupp ass hey but then again it is not the first time I am doing floors it seems the most of the cars I end up with need some type of metal work oh well hopefully this will be the last one that sound's familiar.:crazy::wall:
 
pont1230 said:
yea I know what you mean I don't own a lift let me tell ya it really sucks I have no room for it and I always did the work my self no help it is not easy being on your back and time catches up been doing this about 24 years more or less changed over 20 motors maybe 15 tranny's rear ends etc the list goes on on many different types of cars and as you get older the body doen't move as it did then and I always say this is going to be the last project yea right.Now I just started doing full lenth floor boards on the tta right now for some reason or another we always start small before you know it we just opened up a can of whupp ass hey but then again it is not the first time I am doing floors it seems the most of the cars I end up with need some type of metal work oh well hopefully this will be the last one that sound's familiar.:crazy::wall:
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you hit the head of the nail dead on!!
 
I'm coming back as a little boy so I know all the things I did wrong the first time and do it differnt. Agree, stamps are not fast.
 
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