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TurboJoe89TTA

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I finally found a local guy who works on these TTA's. I am listening to him because he claims to be one of best around my area. He has owned the Grand National and T-Type cars.
He asked me to trust him so... He ordered a Red Armstrong 93 Chip and Red's adj. fuel regulator. I just picked up Red's volt booster in which he asked for. He is changing the O2 and putting on a dump and a "bung" metal piece ? and installing new NGK plugs and Red's wires tomorrow. (NGK)? He is a huge Red Armstrong fan.
He is telling be the Car will be drive smoother and faster. What do you Gentleman think? I know little about my car, but it does idle a little funny. He put in a new MAF and it runs way smoother. The total with labor is almost 600 dollars (excluding the MAF) for the parts and labor! It is hard to debate with him because he thinks he know everything. All's I could think of is, "he bringing 80's back" along with his funky hair.
 
I'm going to guess that the car is stock. In my opinion you don't need an adjustable FPR on a stock car, the stock one is fine and they rarely fail. If it's stock you don't really need the volt booster, and if it has any mods you might as well replace the fuel pump anyways. I've heard pretty good things about RA chips, I've never really heard anything bad about them, but I think a lot more people are going with Eric Marshall Turbo Tweak chips now a days. Plugs and wires are a good idea, and so is a new chip. The car will idle a lot better and run smoother at all rpms. However some of the mods in my opinion are unnecessary.

If it's stock, leave it that way. If you don't plan on raising the boost or anything anytime soon I would do plugs, wires, chip, and the dump, nothing else. The O2 is just a common maintenance item so it should probably be replaced but it's cheap and easy to do. I would pick up a Scanmaster if you don't already have one instead of some of the other mods that he's suggesting. A scan tool is your best friend with these cars, even if it's stock. Hope this helps some and gets you a second opinion, everyone has their own ways of modding these cars.
 
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Pretty much what Jared said. IMO Red Armstrong stuff is old school stuff. If a person who works on these cars don't surf the web and keep up on the latest and greatest out for these cars I would not bother with him. Judging from all the Red's stuff he's not into the new and better stuff. Trust me these cars are not hard to work on. Just take on the projects and post here for help. Between all the people on this board we'll have your car running better then ever. Post what you want to do with your car. A Turbo Buick engine needs a "plan" are you going to just have a street car? race car? all these come into play on the mods and what you want to do. Allot of the parts for these cars are special in every way. I don't think I'd let him weld a bung in! I would guess he wants to add a EGT probe? Just be careful!!
 
TurboJoe89TTA said:
I finally found a local guy who works on these TTA's. I am listening to him because he claims to be one of best around my area. He has owned the Grand National and T-Type cars.
He asked me to trust him so... He ordered a Red Armstrong 93 Chip and Red's adj. fuel regulator. I just picked up Red's volt booster in which he asked for. He is changing the O2 and putting on a dump and a "bung" metal piece ? and installing new NGK plugs and Red's wires tomorrow. (NGK)? He is a huge Red Armstrong fan.
He is telling be the Car will be drive smoother and faster. What do you Gentleman think? I know little about my car, but it does idle a little funny. He put in a new MAF and it runs way smoother. The total with labor is almost 600 dollars (excluding the MAF) for the parts and labor! It is hard to debate with him because he thinks he know everything. All's I could think of is, "he bringing 80's back" along with his funky hair.

Haha I hate to be a prick, but next time ask before you order...

I do agree the AFPR is a nice piece. It made my car idle and drive a lot smoother.

The volt booster on the other hand :wall: :chair:

The new o2 sensor can't hurt and it is a $30 sensor with 10 minute install so it is a no brainer.

I would definately lose the RA chip mainly because it is a little older technology and the new turbotweak chips are fully adjustable. I love mine..
 
PhillyTurboSix said:
Pretty much what Jared said. IMO Red Armstrong stuff is old school stuff. If a person who works on these cars don't surf the web and keep up on the latest and greatest out for these cars I would not bother with him. Judging from all the Red's stuff he's not into the new and better stuff. Trust me these cars are not hard to work on. Just take on the projects and post here for help. Between all the people on this board we'll have your car running better then ever. Post what you want to do with your car. A Turbo Buick engine needs a "plan" are you going to just have a street car? race car? all these come into play on the mods and what you want to do. Allot of the parts for these cars are special in every way. I don't think I'd let him weld a bung in! I would guess he wants to add a EGT probe? Just be careful!!

yup most of the stuff on these cars is really simple to do. If you can turn a wrench you can do almost all of the basic mods, and with a pretty good mechanical knowledge you can do almost anything but the fuel pump. Just takes a little patience and ask lots of questions, I wouldn't pay anyone to work on the car unless you really really know them well and trust them.
 
I told him about Eric Marshall's chips. Yes, this guy is old school. He does not trust anyone else. Even after, I showed him the reviews. Yes, I did pick up a Red volt booster from the TurboBuick forum for 42 buck delivered. Yes, I trust each and everyone of you guys!!! Yes, I just got my self out of a jam with the exhaust because of you guys. I will talk to him today and let you know tonight how things are going. Please, let me have it. I trust each and everyone of you. You all have help me significantly!!!! Joe
 
As far as the Volt Booster goes, I'm still on the fence about that one. I've had Casper's still in the box for 3 years and just never got around to putting it on.
I'm in the progress of changing some things around right now and I've thought about adding it. So I posted a forum a week ago that has had some interesting replies both pro and con. jack Cotton chimed in with some comments that's putting me on the pro side. Some say it'll run your alchy pump harder (if you have alchy) but isn't that why you have a knob to adjust pump speed...Hello, that's what I'm gonna do. DontKnow:
Take a look at http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/ge...s-do-they-work.html?highlight=volt+booster+bs

As for the Adj Fuel reg, if your after running more boost your going to need more fuel period. This is must and if you go to a buick meet everyone running faster than 12.99 has one. If your going to supply the additional fuel the regulator is calling for your gonna need a bigger fuel pump too. You can richen the mix all day long, but if the pump can't supply the juice your gonna run it lean in the higher RPM. A good in tank fuel pump is a good thing. I run an additional bosch external pump that will feed the motor more than it will use. I felt overkill in this area couldn't hurt. It's been on the car since 92 no problems. I also run a cartech fuel regulator in addition to the accufab stock location reg. When cruising the reg is set at stock fuel pressure, the cartech is t'd into a boost line, when the boost comes up it applies pressure to a diaphram inside the cartech reg which in turn ups the pressure to the stock located accufab reg. So car idles at 29 psi then goes to around 62 psi at 22 lbs of manifold pressure/boost.

When you get the dump put on, the boost IS going to go UP. Red's chips are probably really good. Red's ran faster than most people on this board with a stock looking set-up and no alchy or atleast he did when I was going to the buick meets more regularly. When you get it installed your going to need a boost gauge, also your gonna want to be able to adjust your waste gate manually in case his chip is set up to raise boost without the consideration of a dump. His chip may be set up to run the boost up to 20-22 with a closed exhaust, when it's open it's gonna go higher, just will. I've been running a dump since 93 and I have to turn the boost knob down a bit, though with the alcy installed I've been letting it ride. This is where you really need a in car boost control. I use an HKS digital controller, it allows the car to spool up faster and goes exactly to where you want and sticks to that pressure setting like glue, it also measure boost in milliseconds-faster than the stock ecm's measurements. I think RJC is a favorite boost control of the buick crowd. I like the HKS and it allows for valet setting, low, high and a on the fly knob. I set the knob to 22 out of the hole and through, 2nd, 3rd and then when I hit 4th I close the elec dump pipe and hit the high button, takes it down to a more comfortable 18psi for a sweet top end run. (watch out for deer, at this point cops aren't the problem as your local cruiser seems to top out at 120mph:whistle: ) All the mods your doing sound good, but I'm not sure about the bung thingy, what's the idea behind this?

Oh yeah, get a RJC poerplate. It WORKS. It redistributes the air to the back two cylinders more evenly and it's CHEAP!
http://www.rjcracing.com/RJC_Buick_Products/RJC_A_D__Power_Plate/rjc_a_d__power_plate.html

Good luck, atleast your going to learn alot in the process. I do think that the best money you could spend is on a Scanmaster to really tell waht's going on and with your dump pipe open, your not going to be able to HEAR any knock like you would with it closed. Be safe and have fun.:cowboy:
 
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Thanks. You could not have explained it any better. I will keep you informed. Thanks for taking the time and effort to help me.
 
Scan master
340 fuel pump
spring cleaning from gnttype.org
afpr
thrasher chip
adjustable waste gate
xylene
Learn about tuning
Start tuning

That should get you on your way. If you have questions.....Ask.
 
Hey Turbojoe, I haven't been on the site for a week. Did someone buy your old muffler? Use that money toward your new system. :cheers: I thought you weren't going to mess with the car. Is the car not fast enough? I thought you weren't going to race it. I would hate to see you or someone else ruin the car!!! It's a classic. :wheelchair: like me. I would buy an old project car and mod it if you want to go fast. Won't the value of the car go down? What does everyone else think.:idea5:
 
I am going to keep the muffler for a back up. I am yet to even go WOT. I am listening to my tech. He told me the car would idle and run alot smoother with these additions. Oh, my CAR is MINT and the exhaust sounds awesome. I could not be more happy. That exhaust is what he recommended for a good priced system. I am not sure about the volt booster but he swear by it. I love my CAR and would do nothing to hurt it. He said this is all I need besides valve springs and a scanmaster. Also, I was offered 16000 for my CAR already. I paid 11250 after tax(31000 MILES). This CAR will never dip below that. So there is some room the play. Thanks, Joe
 
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TurboJoe89TTA said:
I am going to keep the muffler for a back up. I am yet to even go WOT. I am listening to my tech. He told me the car would idle and run alot smoother with these additions. Oh, my CAR is MINT and the exhaust sounds awesome. I could not be more happy. That exhaust is what he recommended for a good priced system. I am not sure about the volt booster but he swear by it. I love my CAR and would do nothing to hurt it. He said this is all I need besides valve springs and a scanmaster. Also, I was offered 16000 for my CAR already. I paid 11250 after tax(31000 MILES). This CAR will never dip below that. So there is some room the play. Thanks, Joe

post up what your goals are with the car. Do you just want to go like mid 12s, stay mostly original, and keep it streetable? I wouldn't do valve springs, yes the valve springs suck in these cars but unless your changing cams or your running a bigger turbo and more boost you don't need it. I think the guy is having you do some mods that are normally done a little farther down the line. Take it slow and learn what each thing is doing with the car and make sure it runs right after each mod. Set out what your plans are and then work towards that goal. Without knowing what you want to achieve you're going to buying things more than once.

For example, if you want low 12s you're probably going to want to go to a TA49 atleast which looks like a stock turbo just bigger wheels. If that's the case though then you're going to want a bigger injectors, a different chip, fuel pump, and a lot of other mods. Personally I'd try to keep it most of the way stock and just get it running good and run like high 12s on mostly stock parts. All you need is chip, scanmaster, MAF pipe, RJC powerplate, and then either a cutout or test pipe. I might be missing one or two things but you could easily be high 12s with those mods and some good tires.
 
Last thing on the volt booster...I'm sure someone will come on here and say "you are wrong" but facts are facts...

All the cars electronics are made to run at 12 volts. When you run a 12 volt pump at 18 volts what do you think is going to happen? The more volts the hotter it will get. The hotter electronics get, the shorter they last. One thing leads to another. It will eventually kill the pump and for some people it might actually make them do the mod they should have done in the first place. The walbro 340 with hotwire kit.

My $0.02 and I will always have one..
 
Cool. I will add the adj. fuel reg. ,wires,plugs,O2,test pipe and be done. You guys are right. I was on the computer for the last week and everything posted in this thread is accurate for these turbo buick/TTA cars. Thanks.
 
Awesome ride. Make sure you listen to these guys before you mod the TTA and not the guy that claims to be the best. They won't steer you wrong. I wish I could help but don't know much about volt boosters or scanmasters. See ya


TurboJoe89TTA said:
What do you think Lefty57?
 
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