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Some ?'s about when TTA's were new

kymmee

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I know the TTA had a lot of buzz with the early press releases and articles. Unfortunately, I was not a TA fan in 1989 and dont remember ever reading or seeing anything about them. (hate to admit that, but its true.)

So, my ? is were most of them already sold before they got to the dealer or could you go to a showroom and see one for sale? Did they get purchased pretty quickly, was there like a waiting list or anything?? I wonder how many more Pontiac could of sold if they kept production going? I know they said they were only going to make 1550 to sell, wonder if they ever reconsidered?

The price tag was pretty high for back then, but that wouldnt necessarily make sales slow.

I really wish I would have been interested in them back then, that would have been awesome to see one brand new in a showroom!
 
I have the original sales contract for my vehicle dated 6/11/1989. I don't know when the vehicles were first made available to the public.
 
I have the original sales contract for my vehicle dated 6/11/1989. I don't know when the vehicles were first made available to the public.
Thats a good thing to have. I'm still in the process of getting my repro window sticker. I think their are some orig owner's on the forum. Would be interested in hearing your input.
 
These cars did not sell very well and many of them were sitting on the showroom floors for 1 - 2 years at least that is what I've been told.
 
I remember seeing one at the Pontiac dealer in Phoenix, AZ. They had ropes around it so you couldn't get within 5 feet of the car. I had purchased a new '85 TA and '87 GTA from them and they would not allow test drives without a signed purchase contract. Not sure how long it took them to sell it. The additional dealer profit sticker was either $5,000 or $10,000 - can't remember for sure.
 
I remember seeing one at the Pontiac dealer in Phoenix, AZ. They had ropes around it so you couldn't get within 5 feet of the car. I had purchased a new '85 TA and '87 GTA from them and they would not allow test drives without a signed purchase contract. Not sure how long it took them to sell it. The additional dealer profit sticker was either $5,000 or $10,000 - can't remember for sure.

That would make the final price to be 35000 to 40000 dollars. I guess that's why alot of the dealers got stuck with them.
 
Well I can remember vividly as a 15yo when my parents were shopping for our(My:)) TTA. My mom did most of the shopping and dad did the dealing. I think only the 4 big Pontiac dealers in Rochester were getting 2 and two smaller ones were getting 1 each(Jim's car came from 1 of those smaller 1's Pitts Pont.)We ended up getting ours from Piehler Pontiac, they had two, 1 was ordered in December '88 and picked up on a flatbed by a collector in March the day it arrived. Parents got the second in beginning of April, car had not been deliverd to dealer yet. They took delivery on a vary cool and rainy Tuesday May 9th with 13 miles on the car. I can also remember that Ralph Pontiac sat on their last 1 with a dealer mark up until some time in late '90. Every time we'd pass buy it was sitting in their showroom.
 
These cars did not sell very well and many of them were sitting on the showroom floors for 1 - 2 years at least that is what I've been told.
Wow, totally opposite of what I thought. Maybe the price did intimidate people. Thanks to all for your info. The first time I saw one was in Vegas a couple yrs ago at the Imperial Palace Car Museum. It too was roped off and you couldnt get real close to it.
 
Kymmee I saw that one too at the IP autocollections. My cousin and I were talkin to the guy and he let us in the car and opened the hood for us. I offered him money for the car but he said that thte car was being held for a man who bought it for his son. I was dissappointed, and kinda irritated that this guy would let us in a sold car. If a car is sold is should not be manhandled by other ppl. Then later I see the same car going to auction!!!! Ugh!!!
 
I saw Dan post on a similar thread. He said he could have gotten one new for 26k if I am not mistaken.


Joe
 
Boy do I remember going to the dealer to check them out! I wish I had taken pics.. All my buddies had Grand Nationals including one that had three brand new. We knew the TTAs were coming so I went to the Detroit Auto show to see my first one. To this day it is the only car that I've ever sat in at an auto show!
I wanted one really bad because it was the best of both worlds. The handleing of the GTA and the 3.8 from the GN. The dealer near my home had two. IIRCC they were looking for offers but ended up selling at least one for sticker. They did not allow test drives either. They were trying to follow the steps of the GNXs, but I thought that they made too many to to have that kind of competition. One of my buddies back in 90 or 91 picked up at least two at auction from Gm. One was a t-top cloth car. He offered it to me for 11K. Now that I think about it it may have been 91.
Thanks for making me think about it some!
KID
 
People,
Like me (but not many), ordered the car in October of 1988, after seeing the magazine articles.
However, I am sure alot of them ran into trouble like I did.
See, certain car magazines, like Autoweek, let the news out real early (but no photos).
Most magazines didn't get the true info out until the mule cars were built, and lent out.
I was lucky to get to test drive one (a mule car, and another story) in October of 1988 as well.
It helped to have friends in Pontiac at the time.
I knew John Sawark (Pontiac Historian, has since died) at the time, as well as the head of Public Relations West Coast (now a VP for SEMA), as well as the head (at the time) of Pontiac.
I had been into Pontiac Trans Ams since 1976, and been heavy into the Pontiac/Trans Am car shows since 1984 (and even knew a few people here on this website back then).
I met the head of Pontiac at a car show in 1987, at a P.O.C.I. Western Regional Show.
In early 1988, I contacted all these people, asking them if I can get a deal on a 20th TTA.
They told me that they couldn't help me, as the dealerships didn't have to abide by Pontiac dealerships, as to get a car cheap.
But I could "drop their names". ;)
I had contacted about 20 different Pontiac dealerships in 1988, and asked them all if they would sell me a TTA at window sticker.
The most common answer was, "What's a 20th Anniversary Turbo Trans Am?"
When I explained it to them, and the amount Pontiac was going to build (at the time, the amount was 2,000 then 1,500 made).
They then said that either they wouldn't be getting one (as there were more dealerships than cars), or, that they would be asking way more over window sticker.
Since 1978, when Chevy came out with a Limited Production Corvette, prices could pull over $50,000 over the window sticker.
Anyone around when the 1979 10th Anniversary Trans Am came out?
I don't remember ever seeing one sell for window sticker (the same with any limited productions Trans Am, the Indy Turbo, and the NASCAR Turbo Trans Ams).
Most prices I then got, were from $10,000 to $25,000 over window sticker.
A few even talked maybe more.
Dealerships are greedy big time.
After getting no where with any of these dealerships (I had contacted dealerships from California to Alaska, to as far back as New York), I finally decided to try a different track.
I had even got into local dealerships and ask the salesmen, and got no where.
What did I do different?
I decided to go into the dealership, and go right to the Fleet Manager.
Why?
Because they order cars for the dealership.
I decided to try my dealership that I had bought another new Trans Am (a 1981 Turbo Trans Am Special Edition, which I still have to this day) from.
I went into the dealership, and got attacked by 3 different salesmen.
They told me that they could sell me a car.
Trust me, after going thru 20 dealerships, and getting no where, I didn't listen to them.
I just kept walking into the back, where I found the Fleet Manager.
I asked her (first time I had seen a woman Fleet Manager) if I could take up some of her time.
She said sure.
I told her what car I was looking for, and what I was willing to pay.
She said that if they got one, it would probably go for 10 grand over the window sticker.
I then pulled out a sheet of paper, with 5 names and phone numbers on it, and kindy asked her if she know who these people where.
She said she didn't.
I then told her that after talking with these people, she and the dealership might sell me the car for the price of the window sticker.
She said she doubted it.
I told her to please find out who these people were, before calling them.
I gave her a business card with my phone number, and if she could call me afterwards, to let me know.
Now, this dealership was in Santa Monica, which is in the SoCal area.
I lived in Torrance at the time, so the drive home was slightly over a half hour away.
I come home, park my car, and just as I am unlocking my front door, I hear my phone ringing.
I rush to get it, only to be cussed at.
I mean every cuss word you can think of, by a woman.
I had to pull the phone away from my ear, and when I put it back, I calmly asked, "Is this Miss Teague, from the Pontiac dealership I was just at?"
She answered yes, and that why didn't I tell her who the people on my list were?
I just laughed, and told her that I told her to find out first.
She then told me that I can get the car for window sticker.
Now, back then, before the cars were built, the price the car magazines (and your invoice) showed 24 grand.
It wasn't until the car was built, that the price came to over 31 grand.
I've got more stories to tell, but maybe later.

I hope this answered some questions for you,

George :beach:
 
Good story, George. If you got the car for invoice then you did good. I just got my PHS info and dealer invoice was around $21,500. After PAS did the car, it was over $31,000. I really couldnt imagine paying $25,000 over invoice for the car. Probably why a lot of them didnt sell right away from what I've been told. In your case, I guess its good to know people and have connections!:yes:
 
That it is! ;)
I remember alot of dealerships just having one car in their showroom, with the markup.
They sat for quite a few months.
Then, the summer after the 1989 Indy 500 race, the festival cars came out, with the cars being sold as used, with prices from $26,00 to $28,000.
Some dealerships called the pricing employee discounts, as they (the employees) got first crack.
Then, the new cars came down in price.
I also remember that in late 1988, and early 1989, the musclecar market was way up there.
Cars with the most options sold for the most dollars.
I think that is why (me included) most people opted for the two options availible.
T-Tops and leather.
Heck, I don't even remember seeing a cloth car until after Indy, when most people (as well as me) found out that the festival cars were T-Tops and cloth.
The first time I found out about a hardtop car, was seeing an ad in Hemming's Motor News, from Detroit, Michigan.
I called, and talked to the owner, who saw his car be built in Van Nuys.
He had tons of documention on the car, and photos of it being built.
(I had missed out on my car being built by two days-I had called the Zone Office of Pontiac to see if I could watch it being built.)
His worked for the company who built the cars, and gave me all my cars' info by phone.
All the different build numbers (car build, engine build, tranny build, etc.).
He also said I must have known someone in Pontiac, because of my car number (number 231).
I told him I did, and after I had order my car, I got a call from Pontiac, saying that I would be very pleased with my car.
They never told me why either.
So I did luck out.
The guy's name who owned the hardtop?
Scott Kelly, the PAS engineer. :)
I do know that Pontiac was hoping that the cars would sell, as they wanted to drop that engine into the 1990 GTA.
There was alot of talk about it, and even ATR was working with them I believe.
But, because of the slow sales (dealerships wanting so much more money, that they didn't sell right away), the idea was dropped.
I am kinda glad, as our cars are worth more I would think. ;)

George :beach:
 
George,
My TTA was sold by Peninsula Pontiac in Torrance for near sticker. Just thought you'd be interested. Peninsula is now out of business.
-Scott
 
Speaking of Scott Kelly, I think its awesome he is going to be at the TTA reunion!! I am planning on attending and hoping to get a few pictures with him and a few of his signatures on some items I have. Definately can't hurt, hopefully only help with the value of everyones's cars!! July can not come fast enough, I am really looking forward to this event!
 
Scott,
I looked at that car at Peninsular Pontiac went they first got it.
That car sat for awhile, since they were asking way over sticker for it.
Peninsular Pontiac always screwed with me on cars, which is why I never bought a car from them.
I tried to buy my 1981 Special Edition Turbo Trans Am from them new in 1981.
They took my cash, and called me a week later.
When I got there, they had an aftermarket guy putting on black stripes onto a gold Turbo Trans Am.
When I walked into the showroom, the salesman grabbed my arm, and took me back out to the car.
He asked me what did I think of my new car.
I just laughed, and said "You're kidding, right?"
He told me it was a black and gold car, just like the real thing.
I asked for my moeny back, and even the sales manager came out, and they didn't want to give me my money back.
I just blew up at both of them.
They told me to come in the next day, for my money.
When I got in the next day, they said they couldn't give me my money back, since I had ordered the car.
Sorry, but wrong car.
Production had since stopped on the '81s, as the factory was gearing up for third generation production.
Then, after I called the Police, they told me that they had to wait for the owner to come in and talk with me.
After a two hour wait, and a stupid talk with the owner, I got a check for my deposit back.
Ready for this?
The check was from New York City.
What the hell is a car dealership in Los Angeles, California, doing with a bank in New York?
Something was fishy for sure.
I had to wait for the stupid check to clear for 1 week back then.
Lucky for me, a Pontiac dealership I went to later, had the car in stock.
Stan Chasen Pontiac, out in West Los Angeles, California.
I bought my 20th TTA from them as well.
Stan Chasen gave me free lifetime oil changes on the car (the 20th TTA).
Only problem?
They went out of business a short time later.
Now, they are a huge office building.
I was just out there in Los Angeles a few months ago, the Pontiac dealership (Peninsular Pontiac) had the building torn down, and tons of Toyotas parked in the lot.
I sure would have loved to have tried to get some signs from them. ;)
I use to live right by them, off Lomita Blvd, in Lomita, right across City Hall.
Too bad you didn't have your car then when I lived out there.
Or Simo. ;)
We could have had our own club. ;)

George :beach:
 
To those who know or have their paperwork showing how much was paid for the car new,
Please post up the date the car sold.
I myself saw about 7 cars new at the dealerships, and they all wanted way more money.
I know by June/July, the prices started dropping.
My car was written up as sold on March 14, 1989, yet when I showed up to pick it up, the car didn't show.
There was a 2 week wait, something about California not certifing the car.
Then, on April 1st, 1989. the dealership called me, saying the car was in.
They contract was rewritten up for that date.

George :beach:
 
TTA579:
Peninsula Pontiac - Torrance, CA
$34,672.48 ($31,323.00 before taxes and fees)
6/11/1989

George,
I've actually seen Simo drive by my house. And there's TTA749 listed on Autotrader up in the valley. I'd love to have a local network of people who could help me troubleshoot and restore this car. As it is, I'm going to have to rely on my ability to google local specialty shops. (powdercoat/paint/glass/upholstry)
-Scott
 
Wow this is really interesting. My car was purchased at Art Moran Pontiac GMC Southfield Mi on November 6, 1989 purchase price of vehicle $24,492 plus $8.00 service fee with a total taxable cost of $24,500. $25,485 with taxes. It doesn't say anything about an employee discount or anything. The window sticker is $31,223.00. He paid cash for the car. I purchased the car from the original owners son with all the paperwork.
KID
 
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